From High Anxiety to High Impact with Charlie Stevenson
Anxiety is an inevitable part of the entrepreneurial world, the question is – how do you navigate through all the complexities?
In today’s conversation, Adam speaks with Charlie Stevenson as they take a deep dive into ways you can get yourself out of a morass. As entrepreneurs, we all have those points in life where we could feel frustrated or demotivated. And so, it’s important to have practices that keep you in your flow.
Charlie is a serial entrepreneur who is currently scaling an impact-focused, commercial real estate investment business called Akras Capital. His goal is to impact one million lives by 2030.
Here are some power takeaways from today’s conversation:
- Pushing on your passion helps with anxiety
- The bigger the problem, the higher the consciousness
- How to get out of the morass and the monkey-mind
- The role of adventure in mental health
- Letting flow happen naturally
- Integrating impact in the affordable housing space
Episode Highlights:
[14:50] Dealing with Anxiety
When you’re feeling anxious, sad, depressed, frustrated, demotivated, or whatever that is, you have the tendency to focus on yourself. But try looking at the next level, or your inner circle, and shift your focus on them and how you can help them. By taking that step back and focusing on helping others, those very individualized concerns will slowly melt away. The greatest leaders focus on the biggest problems because it raises their consciousness to higher levels. And so the bigger the problem that you focus on, the more positive energy that can bring to you.
[18:25] Ways to Get Out of the Funk
- Get yourself moving – Engage in any physical activity that you like whether that’s running, swimming, or walking. This creates a little gap between the constant chatter of the monkey mind and getting out of the morass.
- Gratitude – Think about 19 things you’re grateful for. A gratitude exercise helps give you a new and fresher perspective in life.
- Cold plunge – This triggers a physiological fear-based response, which then results in the dopamine release that gives you a nice degree of separation from the funk you’re in. 20-second cold showers work too.
- Meditation – Whether that’s 5 minutes or 30 minutes, meditation keeps you above falling into that space. Then recite your affirmation and create a commitment to staying aware of your thoughts, feelings, emotions, and pain, and staying on top of them so they won’t take over.
[41:42] Integrating Impact into the Business Model
There’s an affordable housing crisis right now. And so, how can we direct our resources toward alleviating that crisis? Charlie says we can make an impact by buying certain types of assets that are in neighborhoods where there’s a burgeoning need for workforce housing. It is truly impactful if we can just focus our efforts on that and figure out how the business model makes sense for our investors and our own partners’ financial needs.
Resources Mentioned:
Email: cstevenson@akrascapital.com
Meet With Charlie – Akras Capital
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the bigger the problem the higher the Consciousness like the big the the greatest leaders focus on the biggestproblems because it raises their Consciousness to higher levels and so the bigger the problem that you focus on the more kind of energy that that canpositive energy that can bring to you hello everyone and welcome to the flowover fear podcast where it is our mission to help you to rise above fear and realize your ultimate potential inleadership and life I’m your host Adam Hill and it is my goal to share with youthe human side of high performance my guests share their experience with fearanxiety struggle Challenge and most importantly despite all of it how theyRose above it to achieve incredible results so if you’re ready to rise uplet’s get started hey everyone welcome to flow over fear I am Adam Hill and I got a great guest foryou today in the world of Entrepreneurship and high achievement uhanxiety exists a lot of times with people like that and I think a lot of you can relate in the audience am Iright well from a from a young age Charlie Stevenson struggled with anxiety and depression and in his 20s whilestudying in Boston he took his mental health challenges full send and spentthe better part of two decades studying how his mind and body work through seminars Retreats and various studiesand traveling around the world to nearly 60 countries he took his questions withhim studying meditation in Japan Thailand and Nepal and attending a discourse with the Dalai Lama in Indiahow cool is that while he’s still learning to figure it all out and of course which we all are his purpose isto share what he’s learned with others and help connect people with their purpose in authentic selves his goal toimpact One Million Lives by 2030 in the space as a serial entrepreneur Charlieis currently scaling an impact focused commercial real estate investment business called actress Capital actressacquires multi-family Assets in the affordable housing space and keeps them rent accessible to the workforce theresources actress generates allows his he and his Partners to focus on their purposes of supporting people and theirenvironment integrating these two areas of their lives he currently lives in Boulder Colorado which is a wonderfulplace by the way with his wife and soon to be baby daughter congratulations onthat of course enjoy the mountains and all of that stuff all over the place so welcome Charlie so good to have you gothim yeah man thank you appreciate it yeah just just a little bit up the road from you too yeah we’re right lucky tobe in this part of the world absolutely until tonight when it snows like and just dumps snow on us hey I’m stoked forthat more reason to get up into the mountains and like just watch those Avalanches but yeah yeah for sure it’spart of the fun here awesome well we need to dig into that because Adventure is is one of those key elements of ofrising above anxiety but I’ll kind of kind of take it way back and um look at you know how it how anxiety anddepression kind of revealed themselves to you at an early age what did that look like yeah like I think uh likehaving had lots of conversations about when kind of anxiety and Trauma startwith a lot of my peers and family members tends to be at an earlier stage in life and for me it was I had a prettyidyllic childhood until I was seven and my family moved from one side of the state I was from Washington State wemoved from this beautiful non-working farm near Seattle to a neighborhood onthe Eastern side of the state in a city called Spokane which I actually thought was in China when my parents first toldme we were moving to Spokane I was like where in China is Spokane because it sounds Chinese I don’t know why and uhbut that was really disruptive to me and we moved moved there and my parents were dealing with moving you know a wholefamily and my dad was a doc so he’s moving his practice and my mom was getting a new community my brother and sister were young and crying andscreaming and they started you know getting upset with each other now and again as parents and as committed Partners do and you know that freaked meout you know all those all those disruptions in my early uh in my early life created a lot of anxiety and andinsecurity around is this is my home safe or my parents going to stay together yada yada and I started havingsome anxiety attacks when I was in fourth and fifth grade right around the same time that they were putting usthrough the Dare program where they’re basically freaking us out about drugs I was like these are this is freaky itsounds kind of fun but also really scary and uh and uh and that was when that wassort of the trigger for it and um you know didn’t really maybe effectively deal with it you know myparents uh did the best they could they gave they got me into a therapy uh with uh like a 60 year old guy who was scarythan my dad like I didn’t want to open up to him like so it was really like a lot of like languishing on with kind ofa low level of anxiety through my kind of young and through high school andreally kind of went away when I uh went to college uh but then new types ofanxiety started showing up you know and new stressors and things like this so uh yeah it was kind of undebt with let’ssay mostly except uh until I was in college and kind of on my own and I waslike I just I don’t I don’t accept this there’s no way this is uh this thesefears and these anxieties need to persist so I kind of started taking them on in a more uh meaningful intentionalway as you mentioned in the in the intro but yeah so there’s kind of the start of it that’s interesting yeah and it’sinteresting because you talk about when you got into college and and primarily at a younger age it was it was reallynot addressed as in the way and that seems pretty common for people our ageis like you know we had these fears we had these anxieties as kids we didn’t know how to deal with them or what wasgoing on right um but yeah you need to call it oh go ahead yeah oh yeah no I mean it it felt like it was verypersonal and just my own thing I look I look around and and it didn’t seem like a lot of other people were dealing withthese types of things and it made me feel very like isolated and and like weird and strangely unique and so it wasuh it wasn’t until college that I was like uh maybe there’s more people dealing with this than than just me youknow yeah yeah so yeah how did that how did that affect your childhood in termsof your relationships or with other kids and things like that did it have any impactsure I kind of created this I I you know um I had a little bit of a point of viewthat is uh you know like I was never the one that was like the top pick for thesoccer team I was on the soccer team but I was not like one of the top players you know and and I kind of whether thatwas in sports or socially I was never like the most popular kid I had a I was I was in a good pretty good spot like Ihad good friends and things like this but I was never you know what I thought I should be I was never kind of that idealized uh version of myself and sothe way that played out was I ended up going into a lot of independent uh types of things like when I didn’t make thePremier soccer team I said uh screw team sports I’m gonna play tennis and I excelled at tennisum because it’s a very individualized sport uh I’m gonna excel at skiing because that’s something that I can rely on myself forum I’m while all my friends were applying for colleges in like Seattle and going to school out there I was likeyou know I want to do something really different I’m gonna go someplace totally unique so I moved to Boston went toschool out there like I’m gonna I’m gonna deviate from the herd and that Independence kind of becameum like a Hallmark or like a strong suit as is the way that I would distinguish that um and uh while it it helps Excel you italso it creates a lot of loneliness a lot of isolation and a lot of self-isolation soum it worked really well for my career I ended up becoming an entrepreneur uh I’m currently scaling my fourth business soyou know with a variety of success and failure amongst those those first three but had an amazing experience buildingbusinesses like not very many of my friends did that so you know if I maybe had stayed in that kind of uh moretypical path I would have been in a maybe a more typical career which maybe that would have been fine uh but I’mhappy with the kind of variety of experiences I’ve had and challenges that those experiences have presented so yeahyeah well what’s interesting about your your your story about how you kind of get to uh get to recognize that thatIndependence and then you get into college and you kind of recognize hey maybe there is something different here and it almost and and what’s interestingwhat what speaks out to me too because from my experience I had a lot of that same kind of independent mindset of Iwas pretty terrible at Ball Sports so I did gravitate more towards things like tennis or playing the cello or thingsthat I could excel at solely but I didn’t recognize that at the time and it sounds like you had that kind ofself-awareness and when you went to college you had this this self-awareness that this is affecting me and maybethere’s something I need to do about it yeah it was it was after I I attendedthe first kind of like real introspective course I’ve ever done uh that had me identified that what whatthat driving um kind of force was um the kind of purpose of this course was you spend like an intensive weekendkind of uh involved in a long conversation about kind of what it is tobe human and what are the the general forces that shape our behavior um both you know positive forces andnegative forces and it helped us to just help me and the other folks who are in the midst of this course distinguishwhat we then called our point of view and and that point of view I recognized then was like wow I’m like not wanted byothers was sort of the point of view others don’t want me so whether that’s about a team or a career or you knoweven committed relate you know romantic relationships that single idea or thatstory then became a filter through which I looked at most things in my life and by distinguishing it it created thatlittle tiny degree of separation that’s so critical in this work that allowed me to then then disempower it and and haveit live in its own kind of separate thing so that it didn’t affect you knowmy actions that were rooted in commitment so then I could say okay here’s my point of view it’s it’s sayingthis and it I mean it still comes up man like you know just this last weekend my wife went away uh to Boston to visitsome friends and I had the weekend of myself so my bachelor I’m like just like awesome this is great I’m gonna go hang out with my buddies and like last minuteI reach out to a couple friends here in Boulder and no response and I’m like ah they don’t want me like my friends theseare my best friends I was literally like the best man in this guy’s wedding and he’s not responding to my you know I was like oh my God there’s my point of viewI haven’t seen that in a while it took my wife like going away and me being a bachelor for a weekend for it to likerear his head right there I was like wow that’s it’s still there you know it doesn’t go away but that distinctionthat distinction allowed me to like stop and really enjoy the weekend and I’m like you know what I still ended up going and finding some other friends togo do a ski tour with and then I had a really nice I like did a steak night you know I made my own steak in my house andlike played some La some jazz way louder than my wife would usually want me to I got a good bottle of wine I really enjoyed it but if I hadn’t distinguishedthat back then and hadn’t continued to work to distinguish it I might have had like kind of a depressed lonely weekendyeah yeah you know that’s a powerful uh yeah self-awareness piece because youyou it’s you named it and then you figured out oh wow this is this is the identity that I’m leaning into onceyou’re aware of it now you’re all of a sudden you’re you’re able to disassociate with I love how you say it doesn’t you’re disempowering it yeah andum and it’s not and it doesn’t go away you’re just it’s just doing push-ups until it rears its ugly head again yeahexactly strengthening well it’s such a like a little like creature now that it’s like I’m just like flick it youknow but yeah it still comes up now and again you know it’s little push-ups yeah but yeah the tools to the tools toaddress it are are there and um and so that that initial kind of realizationthat sent you on your Global trips around to try and find answers to thesequestions yeah sort of like I always really love traveling um and uh studied abroad when I wasstill in college and and out of that experience and I was actually uh really in the midst of of challenge beingchallenged by my kind of anxiety and depression uh in my uh second and third year of college and it was my third yearof college that I went and studied abroad and during that time um maybe it was the experience of goingand moving to Italy and just the excitement of being wrapped up in it uh that I also started to small businessfocused on bringing kids on adventure trips to go ski up in the Alps when I was out there so all these like excitingthings started to happen that allowed me to really push on my passions and the anxiety really just kind of melted awayand so the experience of being abroad helped me to kind of understand that uhyou know this is something that’s temporal this is something that’s impermanent not something that’s there all the time whereas when I was inBoston in my dorm room or in my apartment kind of in this rut of like normal living like it would just whereeverything was quite easy uh it would rear its head more more often and so I realized that oh if I get out of thatenvironment sometimes I can get a a get a little bit of a break from it and that little break from it helped me realizethat wow that that’s a choice in my life that’s not something that’s that’s always permanently there and so that wasthe first time I distinguished it as something that was separate from a life that I had to live and uh that was kindof the start of my experience in entrepreneurship was living out in Italy and starting that Adventure travel company that then kind of led to totravel as a big part of my life and then I realized that travel can be for a lot of different things it can be for funand just just you know relaxation but it can also be for adventure like athletic Venture and also personal and spiritualgrowth and that’s when I started seeing travel as something that could benefit both myself from a growth perspectivebut also others and that’s when I started bringing cultural Adventure travel to mostly American study abroad studentswhich is what my uh kind of second business was and um yeah but that kind of began me seeingtravel as a as a tool or a technique for personal growth and kind of purpose uhresearch and purpose realization um yeah but there was yeah so that wasthat was kind of where travel began to to serve that purpose and that’s interesting yeah you said uh uh he saidsomething along those lines of pushing on passion and your anxiety melted away I love how you say it melted away so canyou talk expand on that a little bit like how when you’re pushing on your passion and that helps with the anxiety melting right so one of the things thatwas really helpful like a framework for me to kind of get some power over all thisstuff was that like if you think about your life as like an individual like say say you’re looking like an onion or alike a a side view of you know like concentric circles coming out from the center and you’re in the center you kindof got yourself in the very center and then you’ve got the first ring would be the closest members of your community your family and then the next would belike the actual community that you’re in and then the next ring would be you know say your country or your society and thegreater one is the world like when you’re if this was sort of your different spheres of influence at a human being has over the course of theirlife um most of us are kind of playing between the level of self and the level of the level of group or family or smallgroup right and I know that when I’m really feeling anxious or depressed orfrustrated or just demotivated I’m usually really focusing on myself like why am I not happy like why why can’t Ihave you know excitement and pleasure and like great things happening in mylife like it’s it’s kind of like a very individualized conversation but the second that I look out of that one thatthat small Center of that of that uh of that little diagram and look out onelevel at my family and start saying hey Christina my wife Christina or hey my brother Pete ormy best friend Gary or something like this if I start asking them how can I support you what can I do for you like alot of times those very individualized concerns and anxieties and frustrations just sort of disappearum and so that’s like a very hyper local way of addressing uh anxiety anddepression by focusing externally of yourself now you got to kind of have health to be able to do that there’ssome basic needs that need to be taken care of like you can’t just start like trying to take care of the community ifyou’re physical if your physical health is is really really terrible and you’re sick or your mental health is so uh insuch crisis mode that uh you know you just want to sleep all the time um but if you get that break from thatfor even a moment and can start looking at others uh and supporting others then a lot of times that single purpose uhcan melt the kind of an original anxiety and depression that you might be experiencing and then when you startgoing much bigger than that and start focusing on solving much bigger problems at the level of like community D orNation or world even there’s this amazing quote that I heard recently that is uh the hot the the bigger the problemthe higher the Consciousness like the big the the greatest leaders focus on the biggest problems because it raisestheir Consciousness to higher levels and so the bigger the problem that you focus on the more kind of energy that that canpositive energy that can bring to you so that but when you start focusing on really big problems like your own likepiddling anxieties about like money or not living the ideal life that is youwant or like saying the wrong thing to the wrong person at the wrong time like that stuff just doesn’t even it’s it stops even entering into the equationit’s just it’s no longer even a concern it it kind of fluxes and flows you know in and out but like that’s I guess likewhen you find that passion or find something purposeful uh that you care about and you start pushing on it andstart working on it a lot of that very individualized anxiety stuff starts to just kind of go away that’s fascinatingyeah I love I love that love that approach and and I know for a lot of people who get into that phase ofdepression or anxiety I mean it’s almost kind of like this downward spiral where you where you start to where you startto immerse yourself even more into the self right yeah absolutely how do you break out of that funk you have to focusmore outward I love this question I love this question and and I’ll just say like this is us constant this is a struggleover the course of my life like you know you can read a thousand books and attend you can listen to the Dalai Lama give aspeech in the Himalayas that’s just like the most incredible wisdom you’ve ever heard uh and you still find yourselfgetting embroiled in the annoying nuances of your own individual life experience it it fluxes and flowsum staying aware of it’s the first critical thing I would say that for me when I find myself in I call that themorass uh when I find myself in like a Mucky swamp which is what my wife and I distinguished that as uh we there’s acouple things that we do really it’s like our brain chemicals are against us at that point in time or they’re notbeing they’re not pumping enough and so uh really the things that are my exitfrom the morass are getting enough getting some exercise some aerobic exercise like really going and getting arun-in um I love to run and Trail Runner like getting on an assault bike at the gym or something like this having havingsomeone hold me account to doing it um and then going and doing that and that’s usually enough to create a littlebit of a gap between the kind of just the constant chatter of the monkeymind and and get out of the morass to get a second of okay things are actually all rightum you know I’m gonna be able to handle this I’m gonna get on top of it on top in addition to that uh my wife and I usea gratitude exercise so if one of us is really in a crappy spot and we recognize that in each other uh we’ll say hey giveme 10 things you’re grateful for or five things you’re grateful for and then you sit there and you struggle through it and then by the fourth of the fifth youstart you’re like you know what I’m actually grateful for that plant over there or the fact the Sun’s shining or the fact that I live oh I live in Boulder Colorado this is an amazingplace I forgot how awesome this is the fact that I have a roof overhead wow that’s actually really something to be grateful for too like a gratitudeexercise can really help bring perspective to the BS that you’re stuck in you know usually now there’sdefinitely some profound things that can that can get in the way too but like um but but one thing I’ve been wantingthe first thing that came to my mind when you asked me that question was I just installed a plunge pool in my backyard on my patio uh it’s a coalplunge pool like Wim Hof style kind of thing oh yeah and man that gets you out of it pretty quick so the mornings thatfrom my experience personally and then listening to a lot of other people that struggle with this stuff the morningstend to be hard because you got all that late and energy ready to go um you know you got your day in front ofyou you got a to-do list in front of you maybe you just have an energy barrier to get into your stuff um the plunge pool or getting into acold immersion or leaning into the pain equation in order to produce pleasure there’s lots of different ways to dothat exercise one of them too but like leaning into the pain a little bit can produce a big dopamine release uh itgets the epinephrine and norepinephrine pumping and which is kind of that physiological fear-based response whichthen results in the dopamine release and that gives you a nice degree of separation as well in a really short period of time like I jump in my coldplunge it’s a 35 to 45 degree cold plunge it’s really just a horse trough full of cold water but it stays coldright for three minutes I get out of that things are clear I feel bad better my body feels relaxed so that’s kind ofa quick easy button to push yeah and like and I’ll tell you that that most of the audience is listening right now justtuned that out it said no way I’m not jumping but I’m telling you I do it every morning too and it’s so amazingit’s so great yeah it’s good yeah it really does get you out of that funk so that’s enough yeah yeah a cold showerman that also works too give yourself 20 or 30 seconds in a cold shower and that can help you start thinking more clearlyand get out of that little Funk yeah yeah absolutely well I love those I love those answers to get out of you know toget out of that funk so it’s really kind of starting with getting that you know that aerobic exercise getting gettingthe chemicals working serving others or or thinking outside of yourself and thengratitude yeah the Gratitude kind of thermometers is great um and and yeah that’s always hard Ieven get through that funk too of just constantly you know uh diving in because we tend to think like the anxiety that’sin our head is so it’s so magnified in terms of like what it’s telling us it’s like yeah but it’s not always the worstthing it’s not always that bad yeah you just get out of it yeah yeah it’s just something my wife and I always say to each other is like you knoweverything that you’re thinking right now is not real right like that’s not real right that’s just your a series ofneural Pathways that have been triggered by some stimuli like it’s in all reality we’re sitting in a room and it’s youknow probably quite peaceful and pleasant because we’re here in the United States of America andum there’s nothing Chase there’s no saber-tooth tiger chasing after you no one’s like probably aiming a gun at you there’s really no true you know uh truenecessary trigger for your mega there’s no real fight flight response that’s necessary so all of that stuff you’refeeling is just your own creation so if you can get that second of like separation from it andthen get on top of it then um it gets easier I’d say to keep myself away from it meditation is also like areally critical thing that’s a daily practice I have between minimum minimum five minutes but if I’m happy like ifI’m if I’m able to get into it 20 to 30 minutes of meditation keeps me above falling into that space But like youknow if I if I’m traveling or work gets really stressful or some big thing that’s disruptive to my normalday-to-day life like that’s when it you can fall back into that kind of frenetic morass that funk as yeah I’m insane yeahyeah yeah but no that that’s huge and I think it brings us into a great uh kind of question that that I would ask is ishow how does it what does a day look like look like for you does do you typically experience that if if youexperience any kind of that anxiety if it starts to creep in or that or that depression does it usually happen at a certain time of day and what is yourmorning routine look like or your daily routine and how to prevent it sure yeahum it definitely has a pattern there’s no doubt about that uh my pattern sowhen things are going pretty well and I’m feeling pretty good like I’d say that my mental well-being somewhere likea seven out of ten you know and it can go up be up above that if if there’sthings that are going really great and but it usually doesn’t fall much below like a six or a seven which I feelpretty good about um and and the pattern that I see is typicallyit’s related to things that I need to do like getting overwhelming like if I’vegot too many things related to work that I need to do plus like my family commitments and purpose commitments likeuh kind of building up on like a Monday morning or something like this like Sunday night or Monday morning before Ineed to get the week really kind of going that’s kind of when that stuff will uh kind of like rear its its uglyhead um the other pattern is when I’ve uh been in kind of a disruptive schedulelike I’ve been traveling a lot for work or even traveling for fun and I come back from that and I’m not in my normalhealth and fitness routines plus I have all those like to Do’s like a lot oflike overwhelm starts to creep up around you know uh getting things done andgetting things getting into a flow and so but once I once I break through that energy barrier and I get into a goodflow and my my kind of domestic routines are back in place um then things tend to get back up intoa good spot but that’s that’s those like kind of thresholds let’s call them transitions tend to be where I find themost anxiety and depression kind of rear its head also end of year coming into the new year like really the hardesttime of the year for me I’m just I just came out of it like middle of November until like Christmas really is like themost stressful time of the year it’s getting dark all the leaves and all the plants are dying everything’s kind ofdying around you uh you know you got all these extra stresses related to like holiday preparation end of year planningend of your reporting um preparing for the next year strategy wise for work things like this so it allkind of just comes to a head right at that time of the year and I’ve distinguished that and I’m more and more aware of it but every single year itstill kicks my butt every year it’s like November Novembercomes around and we we fall back and it’s like oh my gosh I just want to get to like a bright light environmentum but yeah yeah uh what the second part of your question was like how do I prevent that from kind of happening likehow do I yeah kind of what’s your what’s your daily living what do you do in the morning routine kind of just to keep you out of it yeah so let’s say before Iadded the plunge pool and um but I guess that’s part of it it’s it’s uh getting up making sure I getmyself enough quality sleep so my like my day starts the night before is makingsure that I’m uh uh managing my sleep cycle and getting healthy sleep sleep is so critical for my mental health I’vereally realized that over the course of the last you know let’s say a year and a half I bought this watch that tracks allmy sleep cycles and stuff and um uh that’s really made a bigdifference so I make sure that I get the sleep that I need um and then the next the next morning I wake up if I’ve gotten the sleep that Ineed then I wake up at a decent hour let’s say like 7 A.M or something 7 30 and I get uh my morning routine goingwhich is always starts with meditation or like a cold a couple minute cold plunge and then a meditation uh whereI’m just watching my breathing and kind of the vipasha style where you watch your breathing and try to quiet your mindum I have an affirmation that I say right at the end of that meditation that I say every single day that helps me toum essentially create a commitment to staying aware of my thoughts feelings emotions and pain to like stayessentially uh on top of them because they otherwise will start to you know kind of take over so if I stay aware ofthose things then and create that degree of separation things tend to go a lot smootherum and then uh yeah and then over the course of the day like I’m trying to you know stay focusedand doing the things that I need to do uh in in my in my business uh in my purpose stuff taking care of my familyand friends and things like this and then as I do recognize thoughts feelings emotions and pain uh the awareness I Iusually actually these these beads uh these uh bracelets to help identify so if I if I recognize a thought or afeeling or an emotional pain and I get one step of removal from it I’ll move you know this bracelet from this wristto this wrist and that helps me to just remember so I have all my all my bracelets start on my left wrist in themorning and by the end hopefully they’ve moved to the right and that shows that I’m strengthening my awarenessum and so that’s one thing that I do in order to stay tangibly aware of my of ofall that stuff uh and the end of the day um yeah I kind of just like try to winddown and do like a shutdown Ritual from work um and and commitments and things like this so I’ll uh you know intentionallylook at other everything I needed to do that I didn’t get done today make sure that it’s taken care of the next day and I’ll literally do a shutdown ritual putthat stuff away and then get myself rest and take care of my personal well-being and that time that a lot of times lookslike uh exercise uh you know different types of cold or heat immersionum you know reading things like this one thing I didn’t mention is I also do exercise so uh usually that’sIncorporated in my morning routine but right now I’m dealing with an ankle injury that I got from a trail run recently so otherwise uh I would startwith it usually a a run or something like this or some kind of strength training exercise and then go into ameditation so that’s the one thing I did not mention but yeah well good for you though for for recognizing too that thatinjuries like that for having alternatives to exercise when you’re injured because not a lot of people think that they just think you know I’mgonna power through it I’m gonna you know that’s man that that just trying to work out or or push yourself throughinjury is is anxiety inducing it it messes with our mental health too absolutely yeah that’s huge that’sthat’s been something new for me in just the last like year to two is finding those alternatives for when I can’t go for a trail runum the plunge pool basically helps with that or going and getting some strength training or just being gentle on myself and being like you don’t need to workout today to have like super great mental health you can actually have a rest day and be okay with that you knowso that’s also uh part of something that I’ve distinguished for myself so yeahjust a little bit of Grace Grace for yourself that’s awesome yeah yeah um and so how does uh so I mean you kind ofmentioned you get into skiing and you do a lot of outdoor stuff you do a lot in the mountains because you live in Boulder what how what role doesAdventure play in in your mental health and how you yeah yeah this this is hugeso it’s one of the values that I have in my life is is Adventure and being outdoors in the environmentum I’d say that uh what getting into the outdoors does especially when I’m solois it strips away all the stimulation that we have in our kind of modern society and allows me after after like adecompression period it doesn’t happen immediately it’s not like once I’m in the trees I’m just like oh everything’s so clear now it takes a little bit butlike sure you know that can happen in as quickly as 10 minutes or it might take an entire day depending upon what what what what my nervous system has beenstimulated with over the course of the last previous time time period but like I get into nature and after a period oftime um like whatever those rhythms or whatever that energy is out there reallycalms me down and allows me to start thinking really really clearly so it’s sort of like going home a little bitwhen I go into nature when I need to do my most clear thinking I Retreat into the woods into the most remote placesthat I can sometimes that’s just like a park nearby but if if I have my choice it’s getting deep into some kind of apristine Wilderness um you know some of the best Retreat work I’ve ever done has been solo backpacking trips in the mountains anddunes and stuff around Colorado yeah some of the biggest breakthroughs I’ve personallyexperienced was doing yeah a solo backpacking trip where I was just out there by myself and dealing with fearand looking at the stars and kind of trying to figure things out and reading books and meditating and uh so it playsa big part but it’s also just Wicked fun I love being you know up in the mountains I love getting into environments that are a little scary andknowing that I got a skill set that can mitigate that risk and and get out of it safely and have a rip and good time withmy buddies and high five and you know so that’s that’s a big part of it too it’s just like it’s a place where I go playand that’s an important part of my own personal self-care is being able to like go with out with my buddies or go bymyself and just go play in the wilderness just be kind of stupid and have fun for just the sake of pushingthe limits a little bit you know in a risk mitigated way so yeah how important is it to that that you because youmentioned solo as far as some of those backpacks do you have any kind of intentional intention intentionalnessintentional intentionality it’s one of those weird ones yeah yeahuh um yeah you know like what I what I’ll do is before I go so if it’s like aretreat that I’m like I’m taking this time for myself to go and do some work then yeah I’ll like I’ll journal for youknow maybe you know a period of time that’s something else I actually do Incorporated my morning routine isjournaling a little bit here and there too not every day but let’s say every other day or a few days um I’ll Journal about I’ll say all rightwhat are my intentions for this like what are the things in my life that I’m challenged by that I would love to have a breakthrough and I’m not going to be attached to it having a breakthroughthere but like if I can get out there and read a passage in a book um and have some breakthrough though that would be really awesome to comehome with so I’ll write down a few things that I’m challenged by and then I’ll go out into the into the woods orout into the the area where I’m headed with maybe a book and a plan to do some meditation every day and do someswimming in the water or whatever it is I can I can find for fun and um and uh yeah and I and then I kind ofjust let things happen naturally I don’t want to stress myself out I have a tendency to want to figure it all outand structure it too much but when I do that I tend to force outcomes and then it doesn’t feel like an authentic realization or breakthrough so now Ijust try to like let things kind of naturally happen and I’ll you know kind of give myself the freedom have fun backthere too so yeah I’ll intentionally meditate I’ll read a book that isrelated to maybe the the topic that I’m curious about learning about or having a breakthrough in and usually that kind ofmixture of ingredients tends to produce some kind of result that’s really meaningful maybe I don’t maybe I didn’texpect it um going in but it was great that it came out and sometimes it was somethingthat I expected that I went in to solve I’ll come out with but that’s not always the case yeah sometimes I’ll come outwithout anything sometimes I’ll come out more confused than when I went in like frankly you know like oh my God there’s actually a lot more work I need to do onthis subject than I realized um that’s not my favorite that’s not my favorite outcome sure but it’s animportant one yeah yeah but even even that even that confusion is more clarity right because you’re like oh wait yeah Ido have more but uh I mean at least and it sounds like uh um you know getting into that zone and you mentioned kind oflike letting it happen without having to get without even having to force outcomes because that Perfection seemsto be an obstacle to flow like your idea of just wanting to be perfect what um how do you see flow in your life likewhat is it what does flow look like to you yeah flow looks like to me when Ihave abundance amount of energy and a clearuh a clear Target to focus that energy on um where I’m just like boom boom boomjust moving through okay the next thing I need to do is this it’s obvious to me like it just it’s like when I was a kidplaying video games like uh Sonic the Hedgehog and there was just like the next move is very obvious and just infront of me and clear like um that’s kind of what flow feels like when I have an abundance of NaturalEnergy and motivation and my purpose is is obvious and I can just like knock things down and it I go get go in andout of that you know I’d say it’s very seasonal I’d say like I I get a maybe a couple weeks uh maybe three weeks of ofthat a quarter or something like that and when I have it I’m just like baby let’s go like just let’s let’s rollbecause I can get a lot of stuff done and make a lot of impact in that period of time um and when I’m not in it that’s reallyobvious too and I’m always like how do I get back into that but it’s usually just a function of these different behaviors and patterns and uh yeah like uhhabits that I have that will will line me up to get into that that flow State Ilove it yeah and that definition is so clear and concise you know just an abundant abundance of energy and a placeto focus that energy that’s so good so good um and um yeah and and so speaking ofimpact because you mentioned you know just making the most impact it seems that all of your entrepreneurial effortshave have been designed to kind of create some impact in our world not just to return money for the investors andthings like that that right certainly is a case but um but uh can you kind of walk usthrough some of those uh some of those businesses you’ve started and where you’re going to now on that yeah it’sinteresting six I never really thought about that way a lot of times like I’d say out of the four businesses I’vestarted um uh two of them started off well let’sjust say like okay let’s take two two of the businesses that I’m gonna give right now uh started with very kind of likepersonal need fulfillment as the initial goal like when I started that travelcompany um that was based out in Italy um it was because I really wanted to go travel and like have fun and ski theAlps and you know live in the Mediterranean have this experience but uh and make some money doing that butthen once I was out there after like operating that business for the first year I realized like oh my gosh like these American students that we’retaking on these trips are like learning and having some real life experiences like this is real this is real life we’re affecting here and it took on awhole new purpose yes we were taking care of our own personal needs and having a rip and fun time doing it but we realized that there was a biggerpurpose that we kind of stumbled into very naturally and and authentically and so we pushed the button there and we’relike this that ended up becoming sort of the the main uh competitive differentiation for that Adventuretravel business I started because all of the universities that were used to venture travel companiesum bringing their kids to like party in Dublin or Barcelona or just get drunk and the Alps or something we were theones that were bringing them to like cultural and Adventure travel they’re like oh these guys are actually like nice people and they want to actually teach our you know students somethingabout life and so that ended up becoming our differentiation the same thing happened with like this latest Venture we have which is in the commercial realestate space um you know my wife and I and our other business partner um wanted to generate a business wantedto create a business that allowed us to to uh live the life that we wanted a life of Freedom we wanted to not have towork for somebody else we wanted to be able to travel anywhere we wanted around the world and spend as much time as we wanted with family that was sort of theinitial why for actress capital and after uh kind of actualizing that why andgenerating passive income such that most of our financial needs were taken care of and um having all the time to go travel likespending months working remotely island hopping through the Greek Islands and you know spending all the time we wantedwith our family we were kind of sitting around and like I remember I was on this beach and you know in uh in Greece andlike um like I’ve got the most beautiful view in front of me and like nothing except like a month in front of me with my wifeto just explore this beautiful culture and while that was really incredible and I was having a great time there was alsosomething that was missing and I was like wait a second we reached the goal that we had set with Acuras in the beginning but something else is kind ofmissing here we it wasn’t totally satisfying it was a little bit it was a little bit of a scary realizationum because I was like oh my gosh like what what else do we need to do like what you know we we figured likeeventually this business would generate enough wealth for us that we could then retire and then start focusing onworking focusing on other people and bigger communities and taking on bigger challenges in the worldbut what about right now and that started this kind of existential crisis for my my two partners and I to say allright what how do we bridge the gap between that outcome because we think that’s going to be the most motivatingand satisfaction satisfactory both for ourselves and for all the stakeholders in in our world and our communities andwhere we are right now which is just having kind of this like selfish need taken care of and so we started saying all right we need to end we need tointegrate impact into our model that needs to be something we start doing right now before we have you know allthe money we need to be able to build a foundation or whatever it might be and we took that on and said what in ourcurrent realm of commercial real estate what are the biggest crises out there well there’s an affordable housing crisis right we buy multi-familyapartment complexes so we can pretty easily direct that you know theresources that this business generates the money the time the network power towards that crisis andum by buying certain types of assets that are in neighborhoods where the workforce lives in communities wherethere’s a burgeoning need for Workforce housing we can make an impact there so why notjust focus our efforts on that and figure out how the business model makes sense for you know our investors and ourown Partners Financial needs and so that’s what we took on is like how can we then you know buy the right types ofassets that then have the right resident population that we can really affect change in um and that became sort of theprimary focus for our main businesses efforts and then any additional resources that our business generates wecan then take and then move towards you know areas of impact that we care about outside of thecommercial or the housing space so you know I care a lot about the environment and men’s mental health and people’smental health so I can take some of the time that I generate the money that I generate to focus on that my wife really cares about empowering women and so shefocuses her extra efforts on that my other partner lending focuses on empowering immigrants and giving them afoothold in America so besides the affordable housing thing you know primary kind of focus of ourbusiness we have our own individual purposes that you know the resources our business generates help help us to thenum to then focus on so um and yeah we’ve we set we’re setting some some big goals and that’s holdingus accountable to achieve them and and seek feasible opportunities to achieve them soum that’s how we’ve kind of integrated our personal professional lives with um you know that back to that diagram uhthat I was talking about early on like how do we look outside of just our own our own needs and that’s what’s been truly the most satisfying yeah wellthat’s that’s huge and it’s so important to that this point is so important and I’m really really glad you’re doing thiswork that you’re doing because it’s so I won’t say it’s it’s easy but that thethe path to least resistance and things like that are not to look at the impact that you might be having on thecommunity you know it might be just like all right well what’s my what’s my fastest path to a return on to shareholders or return to this and notbeing aware of that but kind of gets back something you said early on which is you know the first step to anythinglike this is just the awareness is being aware of it and you’re aware of you know the impact that you’re having on thesecommunities and that’s huge um and and I hope you realize thatimpact that you’re making in that in that world in a space that desperately needs itum and yeah so yeah I appreciate it man yeah we’re we’re we’re we’re working to figure it out there’s all kinds ofreally interesting models out there that could be uh that can be employed thatare different than what a lot of our peers are doing in the industry that uhboth you know address this really critical need but also provide really pretty amazing returns to investors andthe different partnership groups and so um and it took us some time to kind of discover those models and and Whatmarkets those models are effective uh but we’re really excited about that and it’s not we don’t want to keep themsecret we want to share these so that lots of operators like ourselves can can do that and address this need this isn’t like uh this is a you know more peopledoing this is more kind of a thing so that’s part of what we’re trying to do is build a big community of like-mindedfolks that we want to partner with and work with and who want to invest alongside us so that we can you knowaffect change in affordable housing uh in a real outsized way but also you knowtake care of you know other fellow humans in in different ways with the resources that those Investments generate so absolutely this is kind ofbecoming like our like flag that we’re planning on the on the mountain and trying to you know this is this is thedirection we want to go and when we’re going well that’s that’s so it’s so good and and you know full disclosure I’m I’man investor in accurate’s capital and yeah this is not yeah this is not a uh uh any kind of a financial advice oranything like that but uh but yeah man it makes me proud to see what you’re doing um within the space and and and and andand through that and and then of course kind of getting into the impact that you’re growing into which is thishelping helping people and helping men and specifically as you said with mental health and empowering them what’s uhwhat are you looking at there and what what’s coming in the future for that yeah um thanks for asking that question soright now what I’m still doing is distilling exactly because like frankly while I’ve done a lot of work on thisstuff I’m still figuring it out myself and still trying to understand all right what’s exactly like a Dependable modellike I I have business training and processing systems training so I’m always trying to think of like what’s amodel that is like a predictable input output type of a system that can bereplicated again and again so I’m in the midst of trying to determine exactly what that is so if someone came to methat was like like really frustrated and not stoked with the way their life is going and they’re feeling depression oranxiety and a lack of purpose like what are the things that I could suggest to them in a formulaic way that they couldplug in like it’d be like going to the woods for 45 minutes and meditate andread this book and attend this summer R and whatever I I’m not exactly sure what that looks like right now what I’mthat’s what I’m working on uh what I’m really doing at this moment in time is just setting uh goals that can be heldaccountable to so I want to impact a million lives in this space by 2030 uhthat’s the goal that I’m setting and I’m working on the model to do that um and I’m not exactly sure what that’sgoing to end up looking like right now it’s just a lot of individual conversations hyper local conversations with other men and women and differentpeople so I can continue to learn myself and educate myself but also dispense any advice or wisdom that I’ve gathered inthe course of my Meandering experience to try to make their life a little bit emoticum of a degree of better so that’skind of what it looks like right now um you know I sometimes host littleseminars there’s a men’s group that you and I are both involved with or had the opportunity to kind of lead aconversation around sort of the pursuit of happiness or the the false Pursuit of Happiness like what does that mean right I just had an opportunity to share with30 or 40 you know other folks about my experience and that that’s one tangible action I’ve taken but a lot of just kindof building a network in a community of people that are that have this same similar Focus so I can better understandhow I can make an Insight outsized impact as efficiently as possible so does that answer your question yeahdefinitely I mean yeah and and then some I mean I think it’s it’s huge that you’re doing that and the fact that you’re just making meeting on aone-on-one basis uh to with people uh is is going to be huge to be able to find that path to helping a million peoplethat you’re looking for and uh What uh What uh how how can people reach you tobe part of that conversation yeah um so I’ll uh provide my contactinformation um in the footer or the thumbnail of this uh video but my email is uhcstevenson actresscapital.com you’ll find it down there and then I’ll also include a link to my calendly so if youwant to uh book some time with me to talk about you know your own findingyour own purpose uh and and maybe some tips on what that looks like what youcan do books to read whatever that might be I’m happy to be a resource to anybody listening to this there uh if you dowant to talk about multi-family investing or that commercial real estate investing space happy to be a resourceuh to you as an investor or operator there um you know always just looking to growmy community of of like-minded folks so feel free to reach out and book A Time directly on my calendar andum yeah thanks Adam for the uh for the chance to share that and um you can find me on all the differentsocial media You Know Places I’m not super active at posting but you’ll find little Snippets of things that I’m doingon Facebook and things like this and then our website is acurascapital akrascapital.com and we you know haveinformation about how to reach us there as well awesome well that it’s it’s so generous of you to offer that up and andto be a resource to people especially actually given your experience you are you are a man of Adventure you’re you’rea man who has overcome a lot of of of mental health issues of his own to to rise above them and actually turn theminto superpowers and uh and become successful in the processum I’m really grateful to know you and I just have one final question because I know you’re having a baby soon and uh yeah I’m uh congratulations first offthank you thank you but uh any any anything you can from from your experience um with you know growing upwith anxiety and things like that what uh what are you hoping to bring to yournew son or daughter’s life on yeah it’s a daughter and I I’m glad you asked thatquestion because my wife and I are having conversations about this right now it’s like what does our parenting look like what does uh this littlecreature’s life like what are they what are they putting in our hands andum one thing that we’re doing is we’re looking back at our experience growing up and looking at the things that workedand the thing things that didn’t work like what really amazing values did our parents on both sides bestow upon uswhat are some of the things that didn’t work so well that created you know uh you know consternation or anxiety ordepression like what advice would I give my father you know when his eight-year-old came home from you knowthat dare presentation freaked out about you know life and having had an anxiety attack like what would I what would I beto my daughter uh if if that happened and um so I’m I’m using and I think like thethe thing that my wife and I absolutely know right off the bat is that we want to develop as much openness incommunication between her and us um and then also just really cultivate mindfulness as early as she is uhintellectually able to understand what that idea is which I think is probably pretty youngum I want to start helping her identify what her commitments and what she caresabout from uh thoughts feelings emotions and pain that just crop up and just run a million miles in your brain like ohthere’s that little thing give her some bracelets I don’t know um just as long as they’re not she doesn’t swallow them you know likeum but yeah give her anything that we’ve learned that helped us over time asearly as possible so she just doesn’t need to deal with all that BS that I went through from like 10 to let’s say21 or something like that give an 11-year advantage on us you know what I mean and just create a really likeamazing powerful woman that’s that’s out there doing some good in this world so that’s fantastic well yeah that’s suchgreat closing wisdom Charlie and I’m so grateful that you’re able to share that and and everything today it’s been anawesome hour to spend with you um and uh and yeah I’m looking forward to seeing what comes I’m looking forwardto shaking your hand in 2030 as you’ve helped your did you pass the million people mark on things manyeah thank you so much I really appreciate it it was an awesome uh time and yeah just you’re an amazing humanbeing too and just getting out there and bringing this these Good Vibes to the world and it’s just it’s such an honor to be here and um yeah excited to growalong with you man thanks brother and uh and to the rest of you out there thanks for tuning in and we will catch you nexttime thanks thanks y’all hey everyone Thanks for tuning in to the flow over fear podcast if you’d like to learn moreabout getting into flow and learn the foundations of flow I have a free video series on my website atwww.adamcliffordill.com called the foundations of flow feel free to go 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