Finding Conviction in Fear with Justin Maina

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(00:00) if you want to ride waves if you want to surf if you want to go scuba diving one day uh swim and snorkel around a wreath you need to start taking these baby steps so I started uh surrounding myself I I was open with my fear with a friend and said hey man I’m clarified of this you’re obviously not what do what are the facts and and here’s the thing if you ask a surfer why they’re surfing they will tell you the facts in fact they’re probably more qualified to tell you the facts of sharks than you are if
(00:28) you’re afraid because they’re out there day in and day out there’s risks and everything but if you want to live a life where you’re you’re snorkeling and you know at least to experience it some some of your you know at some point in your life ask those people what they do what Their mindset is like and be willing to take some steps with them even if it’s the smallest thing but I do believe if you bring that up in prayer as well like say God please help me I want to have freedom the goal is not to be
(00:54) Fearless the goal is to have freedom to do what you want to do and to know that that can help unlock other people from other things here’s the thing if if you’re if you’re afraid of sharks and your kid fell in the water like you wouldn’t even think twice about it you would just go in there and grab them right because there’s that love it just conquers fear I think perfect love casts out all fear man but when it’s for yourself when it’s inside yourself you start to second guess it you’re
(01:18) emotionally attached to limiting beliefs and all sorts of things but uh I would just say um Get outside yourself start asking people who have a different mindset than you and trust that what they’re doing as long as they’re as long as they’re qualified to give you advice in that area start listening to them and see what they have to say hello everyone and welcome to the flow over fear podcast where it is our mission to help you to rise above fear and realize your ultimate potential in leadership and life I’m your host Adam
(01:52) Hill and it is my goal to share with you the human side of high performance my guests share their experience with fear anxiety struggle Challenge and most importantly despite all of it how they Rose above it to achieve incredible results so if you’re ready to rise up let’s get started hey everyone welcome to flowover fear I’m so glad and so pumped you’re here today because we have an amazing guest and when you think about Rising above fear nobody epitomizes that more than the guest I have today Justin maina is
(02:28) an America Ninja Warrior athlete who is on that series uh he’s a TV host he’s an actor he’s a fitness model and a licensed massage therapist and he’s now on a mission to help people overcome their fears and not just not and live a competent a not live a complacent life anymore easy for me to say he does this through hosting his new show the fear Hunter show and through various community outreaches that remind people that they are loved and valued I’m so stoked to have you here dude this is
(03:02) going to be a great conversation thanks for being here oh man thank you for the intro um yeah that’s that’s pretty darn accurate man I just want to be able to uh go through my life making people feel loved and valued and at the end of the day look I we should not be limited by the fears that we have in front of us and if we need help with them I mean that’s why we’re both here we’ve got that mission to help people you know conquer that fear and not be limited by it and we really do believe
(03:28) that you’re going to get some nuggets on this podcast that you can start applying today definitely well that’s why I’m I’m glad you’re here because when we connected that’s what we connected on the fact that we kind of we have the same Viewpoint the same view on fear and you know I know from from your background you’ve you had some you had you know you faced your fears not only faced them but embraced them and started to live your best life you know eventually appearing on the American American Ninja Warrior
(03:57) show you know now becoming a public speaker and a host and all of this kind of stuff that scares people a lot can we kind of go backwards I want to talk a little bit about your you know what how you came up when you were a kid like how did how did fear show up in your life when you were a kid um it showed up because it was everywhere you know like you know you grow up and you naturally compare yourself to other people that are doing great things um you know it’s just when you start to travel more and you start to surround
(04:26) yourself with people who you’ve never seen before you’re you’re kind of quiet like who is this person is they are they safe are they not I never forget meeting somebody when I was uh younger in my teens early teens who just seem to have no fear in life just going out there just jumping in the water swimming way out they have no fear of sharks they’re talking to people they’re they’ve like never met a stranger and I’m like how do you live this bigger than life life you know and um and I just realized that this person
(04:58) just knew who they were like in their core their identity and at the end of the day you know it’s not that you should fear people pleasing but don’t be so affected by their opinions because they’re gonna it’s gonna change all the time and that’s easier said than done but I I truly found that this person produced good fruit in an area that I wanted to be able to emulate and I had to be willing to walk alongside this person and find out why are they doing things the way they’re doing it and how
(05:29) did they get to that point so it was just being inspired by people that seemed to live a Fearless life and at the end of the day I realized it’s not that they’re Fearless they just they decide they’re going to do it their risk is worth the reward at the end of it they don’t want to have regrets and we have that choice to make nobody can make that choice for us but success leaves Clues and people if you’re willing to be humble enough I found that a lot of these people are more than happy to
(05:55) share this content look at you like you’re on this podcast you’re doing this and you’re giving out free content because you see the fruit behind overcoming fear and that’s that it could be fuel to propel you forward to doing like so many different things you never thought were possible yeah for sure so yeah and and and I’m glad you’re doing that same thing too because and and when so you talk about looking at other people looking at models looking at looking at mentors people who could help you get through
(06:22) that what was where were you finding that in your life at that time was was that just something that came to you was you were you just attracted to it what what Drew you to it honestly it it kind of came to me when I was when I was younger uh I didn’t I didn’t see it fully modeled within my family because you know hey everyone everyone’s family is different there may be good qualities bad qualities and I’m not knocking my family but there were everyone has a certain calling in their life and your
(06:50) family’s calling maybe different than your calling so like my dad is not the guy who’s going to be out in the water surfing he you know he’s he he knows he grew up in the the era of Jaws and that’s just the way it is yeah like but for me I want to be out there and enjoying life and and I kind of grew up with that same covering of being afraid of these things and you know hey you know but it took me seeing somebody outside of my family to see wow there’s there’s people who think nothing of jumping in the water and
(07:20) doing certain things so um it involved it just kind of happened on its own you know you can’t I I knew that you you can’t stay in your shell and uh but once you’re out and about you’d end up meeting people that will inspire you so it just kind of came up honestly yeah well that’s great yeah so and then I mean there’s accidents or you know happy accidents are great but do you know just you have to be available and open to see those things so you see it you’re seeing those those opportunities
(07:50) to meet the right people and um and and and and and you had you mentioned you a little bit you had a sense of fear that was showing up in your life how was that showing up in when you were younger that they had to get over oh yeah I had tons of fear um I would say growing up the two fears that I had very commonly show up was the fear of well I would say I didn’t feel like my voice mattered uh for a variety of reasons uh words that were spoken over me um friends even I mean your friends and family those words resonate the most
(08:31) with you and here’s the thing they loved me they wanted the best for me but yet sometimes there can be truths that are in jokes that they may not mean to to come off the way they do but for example I know uh sometimes I just wanted attention you know so I was talking a lot and sometimes when you talk a lot you may not say the best things at the right time and some people can say hey what are you stupid or hey shut up you know and it makes you feel like all right well this I never talk at the right time or I’m kind of annoying and
(09:00) why could you why would you think that way why would you say that I’m just like this energetic kid sometimes people would even say Hey you know they would joke about my looks and they would say oh it’s a good thing he’s uh good looking because he’s not too bright and I just it’s a joke but then you start thinking wow well you know maybe that is true people complimented me on my eye color but then they would make jokes like that and then also I would have a list so people would ask me to say my name so I would say
(09:28) Jeff Finn and they’d they’d laugh and I’m like you know what like maybe I ought to not speak as much and then it translated into the fear because I feel like fear is a cancer so if there’s something wrong with me then I internalized it into being the second fear which was I was terrified to get too close to somebody so I held my distance from people because I knew that eventually once they got to know me they’d realize how stupid I was how you know how you know some of my problems that would make
(09:58) them really second guess our friendship and it was just because I didn’t realize I I just believed a lot of these things and um I didn’t really know my value then and uh it’s yeah but that’s that was a legitimate fear growing up wow that’s um yeah that’s that’s always hard I mean especially when you have people that love you people that you know you love and and they don’t mean that and they don’t have that ill intent but we all have those kind of Shadows of our past where we’ve been affected by
(10:27) things that people we love say to us so but then and how did you so what was the trigger point that that helped you to kind of or was there one trigger point was it gradual how did you get start to rise above it and come into this person that you are now yeah so I the the thing that resonates for me one of my core values very similar years flow over fear it’s Faith over fear and for me I know that people are gonna make mistakes people will always inevitably let you down but it started through mentorship
(10:57) and seeing that there were people that can get put in my life whether by me seeking it or it just happens that was the first time I had that thing happen or it’s just somebody saw a potential in me started speaking words of life and encouragement and into me asking me question me what do you want to do in life where do you want to go what’s holding you back and I’m like wow I never even thought of these things so it was cool to be poured into but then um I so I got to see growth through mentorship but but during that time I
(11:28) started my own walk with God and and my faith journey and then realized as that was growing I realized that people in my life around me that care about me they can fail they can mess up they can get things wrong so I even was in a situation where the person who was pouring into me my mentor it eventually became like dysfunctional and there was like some guilt manipulation and I was just at a point where I’m like you know what this is like this is not good does that mean it’s all bad no but I do need
(11:57) to know that hey they’re they’re in life I need to have boundaries I need to know my own values and then eventually realize that people will always let you down but my faith in God and his love for me will never fail and that’s a true representation of unconditional love that I try to emulate around those uh the people around me so like I give and do everything as if I’m doing it to God and knowing he’s going to take care of things he’s going to take care of Vengeance he’s going to take care of
(12:25) allowing me to have peace to move on he’s going to take care of when I mess up he’s going to make it right because he knows that hey I’m made Perfectly Imperfect and that’s okay with him but not have that same state standard with other people so it was getting away from the mentorship and realizing that God’s My ultimate Authority but also to use people around me um you know get gain their wisdom but not make that my my main source of uh of mentorship right right so so the uh so so you found
(12:57) faith and and that Faith really turned into this action of of how you how you live with people around you if I understand that or how you uh how you uh internalize and and and see the world how how is that showing up in your life today well man I’ll tell you uh it definitely showed up when I overcame one of my greatest fears which is the fear of sharks so I you know growing up I gotta hear this story I gotta hear those stories yeah so I mean everyone grows up with you know the fear of the unknown and especially Jaws but um I’ll preface
(13:31) the story well I’ll get into it but I’ll say this there will be a time in your life that you get approached with overcoming something in your life and all the self-help books in the world aren’t going to really help you you know you you have to walk through it you may not have your Mentor your your hype man next to you you’re you know your your faith is going to be testing that fear what do you believe in whatever you believe more in is gonna is gonna win so for me I’m like all right I have this fear of sharks and
(14:04) I also believe that God has not given me a spirit of fear but a power and of love and of a sound mind how do both exist one has to win here what am I gonna do and and as I was navigating through that I would get little baby steps toward getting in the water maybe swimming out five feet or if a fish jumps on me you know it hits my leg I don’t have to freak out it’s not a shark so I was going through that process baby steps over 10 years and then finally one day this was about nine years ago I I I just I had it and I just
(14:37) I had this little every time I jump in the water I would do something maybe it’s skiing or uh or wakeboarding and I would still hear the music you know jaws and I was like you know what forget this like I I want to overcome this once and for all and I just had such a peace in my heart man in my in my soul that God was going to help me through that but I had to be willing to face the thing I was most afraid of and here’s what here’s how it turned out I I I immediately knew if I was going to overcome something I needed to face it
(15:07) and the worst thing I could think of and this is something I just want to just preface it’s not something I’m saying there’s going to be your door to unlocking your fear but for me it involved jumping off my dock at midnight I was living on the water in Boca ciega Bay in in Tampa Bay Florida and I had to the worst thing I could think of was to jump off my dock at midnight swim across the canal and swim back and do it by myself and that to me was like the death sentence um uh I’ve been boating in that water
(15:36) you know everyone knows that there are sharks there uh in fact 10 years prior to this there was a man who jumped off his dock in the daytime and he jumped on a bull shark and died Tampa Bay people know that story uh but then again these are rare occurrences mine’s probably going to be more favorable to die because I’m jumping at midnight and doing it by myself but I knew for a fact if I were to survive doing that I would have trusted God with the most sacred part of my life my life you know and I just had a piece that if
(16:08) I did that and put that to the test if I survived I would have conquered it so I jumped up a long story short jumped off my dock swam to the other side on the other side as I was gaining enough courage to swim back which was terrifying because I knew because I swam there every shark in the world heard that Splash and they’re probably investigating as I was building up enough courage to swim back I stepped on uh some you know a sea always you know like Barnacles and I cut my foot and I know that you know like hey blood in the water is not going
(16:38) to help anything I was very tempted to get out of the water and walk back to my house but I knew that was my my destination so as I was swimming back it was the most terrifying thing in the world because I’ve never been in a situation that I put my life on the line where there was no way to get out of that situation I was at the halfway point so physically emotionally exhausted I can’t just say okay I quit I’m done I just had to persist and I was praying under my breath and saying God please help me because if a shark hits me I
(17:09) don’t have enough strength to defend myself got to the other side God blessed me with bioluminescence all around me can’t make that stuff up it was glowing got out of the water and the two lessons I learned was this first of all after I accomplished this this fear my greatest fear I started asking myself man what does it look like to live to live a Fearless life this is amazing and here’s the thing when you conquer something I do believe that there’s good and evil in the world and evil will always try to fight you even if you’ve
(17:38) conquered something it’ll try to remind you of something from the past so I was reminded by this evil through a thought in my mind my thought was oh my gosh if I were to do that again I could be totally honest with myself it would be just as freaky if not freakier then something inside me and I believe that’s the Holy Spirit man spoke up inside me and I didn’t even I didn’t even like it just it happened God was confirming that it meant more to do something do something afraid but be willing to do
(18:10) it then to do it totally Fearless so it took more boldness to trust God in that situation and I truly got to experience what it’s like for God to be strong in my weakness and I’ve never experienced that before because I felt like I’d have it together I had to do it on my own but I know for a fact it was a it was a a point in my life where I gave it up to God and I said God you take the reins it’s in your hands I don’t know if I have enough strength but it’s between you me and the elements
(18:37) I’m trusting you and I fully trusted my life on the line and I got to see that I survived and I did it and the thing I learned is I’m going to parallel that principle to anything I do in life so what I take from that what I would encourage people with in that story is not that you overcome have to overcome sharks but if there’s something that terrifies you and you have a relationship with God or a conviction to do something you know for me it’s my faith in God that that was solid but I knew that if
(19:06) there’s a conviction in my heart for him to tell me to do something I want to know that I’m willing to do it even in the midst of fear and I that was my commitment from that day forward that I was willing to do it mm-hmm wow that’s so that that’s that’s an incredible story because it sounds like you know the way that you looked at what you said was your your worst fear that was yeah that was a big one right yeah so so you you took that and you basically just did I mean you did a literal Swan Dive over that fear and
(19:34) just and and just went after it like in one foul swoop and not only that you went across the lake or the River or the uh the canal and you and you came back it reminds me of that story from uh it reminds me of Dances with Wolves I remember Kevin Costner’s character at the beginning of the movie like he rides his horse across the battlefield with everybody on the enemy side shooting at him and you know he gets to the other side and I don’t remember the context of this but I remember that the enemy was
(20:04) like no come back come back so he actually goes back again and like Braves the the bullets firing and all that stuff makes it to the other side and and anyway it was just it was an interesting thing but but that that you know that that one that kind of uh approach to overcoming fear where you’re just gonna go after the biggest fear that could be off-putting to some people how would so do you recommend that approach to look look at to how people look at fear or is there a happy medium how do we how do we
(20:32) look at fear you know if we’re if we’re battling our worst fear I would say that took me about 10 years to get to that point because prior to that I was challenged to overcome that fear just to enjoy life more like hey if you want to ride waves if you want to surf if you want to go scuba diving one day uh swim and snorkel around a wreath you need to start taking these baby steps so I started uh surrounding myself I I was open with my fear with a friend and said hey man I’m clarified of this you’re obviously not what do what are
(21:04) the facts and and here’s the thing if you ask a surfer why they’re surfing they will tell you the facts in fact they’re probably more qualified to tell you the facts of sharks than you are if you’re afraid because they’re out there day in and day out there’s risks and everything but if you want to live a life where you’re you’re snorkeling and you know at least to experience it some some of your you know at some point in your life ask those people what they do what Their mindset is like and be
(21:29) willing to take some steps with them even if it’s the smallest thing but I do believe if you bring that up in prayer as well like say God please help me I want to have freedom the goal is not to be Fearless the goal is to have freedom to do what you want to do and to know that that can help unlock other people from other things here’s the thing if if you’re if you’re afraid of sharks and your kid fell in the water like you wouldn’t even think twice about it you would just go in there and grab them
(21:54) right because there’s that love it just conquers fear I think perfect love casts out all fear man but when it’s for yourself when it’s inside yourself you start to second guess it you’re emotionally attached to limiting beliefs and all sorts of things but uh I would just say um Get outside yourself start asking people who have a different mindset than you and trust that what they’re doing as long as they’re as long as they’re qualified to give you advice in that area start listening to them and see
(22:21) what they have to say be open to it yeah yeah I love that perfect love casts out all fear that’s I and I and and um and yeah that experience is is really helpful because you know I I remember first you know kind of starting my swim journey in Triathlon and I was afraid the same thing I was swimming in the shark infested waters of Corona del Mar in California dressing up like a sea lion you know in my wetsuit and all this and I’m like yeah this is frightening but you know yeah you just yeah I mean at some point especially with that kind
(22:50) of fear you have to just do it you have to get in with the fear and and do it and you know eventually it’s it’s just uh you know and then you come out and you have that Epiphany moment and and I love your Epiphany that your Epiphany with fear happened at that uh as you got out of the water and and saw the bioluminescence around you um now did that kind of start your journey of of of of of chasing fear of looking for opportunities to embrace it um I think it started just before that um I would say several years before that when I started
(23:27) uh when I had the desire to do a backflip I saw one kid in seventh grade do a backflip off a tree and I thought man wouldn’t it be amazing to do that one day but too bad that’s not going to be me maybe one day and heaven or you know I don’t know maybe in in an apparatus where I can do a flip but that’s just not me and then one day somebody saw a potential in me nothing that I saw in myself but I just had that desire and I think a lot of us have dreams and desires that we let die but somebody can spark them up again so it
(23:57) was sparked up again and somebody asked me about something I said man I’d love to do a backflip well let me spot you I’m like how does that work and I’m like well you can’t do it but he had the faith that I can do it it took me two years it took me so long longer than most people can learn how to do something like this I was afraid of falling on my head but I’m telling you that was the Catalyst once I was able to fully learn how to do a backflip to this day people know me as the backflip and handstand guy I just
(24:24) backflip whenever I want because it’s just a representation of how overcome that that fear and it flipped the script on something I thought I could never do and it’s such a joy to be able to know I can do that um so I that was the so it’s fear can be a cancer or it can be a catalyst to fueling other things so I would say from that I was like all right well I’m eventually going to overcome my fear of sharks eventually I’m going to be confident and asking a woman out on a date not fear the rejection
(24:56) um I I’m going to eventually just realize that the sky’s the limit you know I I can do anything maybe I can be the man that sets the standard for my future children I don’t know but I just I know I never want to be limited by living a complacent life or just a very comfortable life yeah I am with you and and so that so it took you two years to learn the backflip was was most of that two years just kind of overcoming the fear of of landing on your head or was it the physiology of it I’ll tell you this um it was
(25:29) I I the person who would spot me they they didn’t live in town so every time they’d be in town it would take me a long time I would need their their hand there and I would overthink so much I would think that I’d follow my head I I just had this root of fear that knowing what I know now I could get into that first because I had the physical potential to do it but I was so in my head and thinking of a million things but with the coach I stopped getting in my head and I just listened all right do that
(25:59) okay I’ll do whatever you say and then when they left I would eventually get out get in my head and then practice for literally outside for an hour trying to see if I can do it then eventually half do it not fully commit I learned that I wasn’t fully committing I was allowing fear to creep in instead of acting on it right away um and you know one of my favorite books I mean there’s tons but like The Compound Effect by Darren Hardy you know the little things you do consistently and I didn’t have that consistent at
(26:27) that time you’d come in town learn a little bit and then it would it’d go away and then I’d feel defeated like oh man so if I just stayed committed to doing that every single day until it became a second habit you know you know or or just find somebody else who can transition into being my spotter I was just too complacent too comfortable with things man it’s uh so yeah yeah I’ve seen now I’ve seen videos of you just doing this backflip like it’s second nature and you’re catching so
(26:56) much air and it’s so amazing it’s so it’s clearly become a natural to you now my question is is can a 43 year old with you know decent Health you know decent health and and fitness learn to do a backflip asking for a friend yeah okay yeah tell your friends that that it is 100 possible and you know I’ve actually had this request a million times from a friend you know but that I should teach a course on helping people how to do that because people would love to do that and there’s something Priceless about being
(27:28) able to do that I personally learned on the beach on a decline you would have to jump so little off the ground to actually fall on your head so with that being said as long as you have good explosive energy and you could jump high you should be able to do a backflip as long as you’re able to to run well you can Sprint good you’ve got explosive energy you should be able to do it the first thing I would do is walk you through just your head knowledge like hey can you do this what’s your biggest fear be honest with me and then walk
(28:00) through you know the the fundamentals of what you need to do and then just practicing it knowing when you have a coach the worst thing that can happen is you jump up and just go limp and go blank which happens every now and then but when that happens and you’re up in the air it’s very easy for the spotter to just lift your legs over but here’s the thing you have to trust your life in somebody else’s hands but if you’re a control freak it’s going to be harder for you to let go of that whereas I just got back
(28:27) from Ice climbing in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan I’m literally walking back just on a line that somebody can just let go and I’m done but I trusted him in my hands my life in his hands and I was able to walk confidently back and fully enjoy one of the most beautiful things ever walking down a frozen waterfall with seeing water at some points just flowing through this Frozen thing looking back looking at Lake Superior chunks of ice I’ve got my ice axes and I’m like wow God this is like what life
(28:56) is about and got to climb ice well myself out of there that’s incredible yeah yeah I um but I love that attitude and and and the thanking of God when you’re when you’re in those moments of like I’ve done this I’ve I’ve embraced fear and it’s and it’s and it feels like it’s it’s it’s certainly bigger than me this is a God thing and and being able to climb down a waterfall a frozen waterfall I I believe that Adventure is the antidote to feel oh yeah are you because that kind of
(29:22) resonate with you dude it’s one of my core values like I I truly believe that Extreme Adventures that challenge me mentally physically and spiritually helped me become a better man they just do there’s something inside of me that helps me it helps combat the limiting beliefs the the core limiting beliefs of like oh I’m not good enough or I’m not valued I’m not loved and when I do these hard things when I go through a cold plunge when I do the thing that I just am too tired to do or I’m not brave
(29:50) enough to do that I can’t approach this person who am I to speak on this podcast or why am I this person of authority to speak on this issue when you do those those things you remind yourself hey you have what it takes and you know what the cool thing is I know God’s with me man and that one of my things I do in the morning almost every morning is go through my core values they’re like a constellation in life helps keep me set on a path I also go through what my mission is what my purpose is and then I
(30:17) go through all my empowering beliefs it’s I I have that as far as like as my morning routine because when I do that I’m already starting out at the gate speaking words of life into my into my situation rather than all the negative things that inevitably get compounded throughout the day I want to start tipping that scale from all these lies that Stack Up In My Mind and start speaking these things that have more power if you’re if you’re if the power of the tongue has life or death I want to start exercising that I
(30:48) want to start saying hey man I don’t remember your name right now but I’m gonna say it three times now that I’ve met you so Adam okay that’s your name okay perfect I used to be bad at names but now I’m better at it because I’m working at it because if I say your name three times I’m gonna eventually conquer this thing instead of oh I suck at names it’s like there’s no hope yeah right right right you’re reinforcing it yeah reinforcing it so I’m so equal I’m so glad you went in that in that area of
(31:11) what your routines are um and so you talk about kind of reinforcing your core values reinforcing your beliefs how did you come to your core values how can people find that how would you recommend that yeah so it’s tough honestly there’s a price to everything a price to everything and I didn’t I didn’t just have I didn’t just come up with this stuff on my own um I didn’t always have this routine uh there are people that are going to come in your life for a specific season and and you’re gonna feel a tug on your
(31:41) heart um in your gut that’s gonna tell you I need to learn from this person I need to grow in this area I better listen up I better invest in this I would encourage you to listen to that there are certain times in life that you need to act on things and you can say oh I don’t have the money I don’t sometimes you have to pay the price sometimes it can be as cheap as paying the price for somebody’s book to be around that person that you’d like to be mentored by sometimes it’s a program I actually invested in a program
(32:09) recently that literally went through all of the core values beliefs big main goals they have reverse engineering what are the things you can control in your environment the people you’re around rewards consequences things that I thought we all knew but I never really dug into it and set up an accountability system that literally would force me each week to look at this stuff that I thought man I don’t have time to do this well if I don’t if you fail the plan you plan to fail so I knew that I was
(32:36) failing in so many areas of my life and I was like wait a minute this is coming from somebody who I’ve looked up to they’ve got they’ve got strength they’ve got Integrity they’ve got discipline and they’re obedient and and literally I had an opportunity and I thought you know what I have to invest in this program program and I just learned ways to find out my core values and core values are things that and and beliefs are things that you find to be true no matter what like it’s just in your core they will
(33:04) never change it’s not now if it’s something that you believe now and it’ll change after you get married that’s not a core value but like um I even have a few here like Freedom over fear you know that’s a core value also like influencing God’s kingdom I know that I can have an influence for God’s kingdom that’s important to me another thing is feeling love every day there’s not a day I don’t know I don’t care how bad of a day I have it doesn’t mean that I’m not
(33:28) deserving of Love whether it’s from my peers or from God another thing is I believe that there’s power in the team over self I function better with a team Than I Do by myself it’s just I know it not to mean that I can’t do things by myself but I just I’ve learned that there’s something to it I meant to work with the team the last thing I have here is consistent growth if I have consistent growth in my life things will change I will grow I will become a better person and those are just some of
(33:57) my core values that I just have and I can write them down to to elaborate on them more but those are just the words I speak over myself and I’ll put the pieces together I love that that’s such a those and and I share a lot of the values that that you have there it’s so important to to articulate and know what what your core values and your definition is great just fine the things that you find to be true no matter what they can’t be shaken um so so so good um and so I want to kind of shift switch
(34:26) gears into how you got into the American Ninja Warrior uh thing so so you learn to do a backflip and you decided hey I’m going to sign up for American Ninja Warrior is that how it went or know how to how did you get there yeah great question so I learned how to do backflips in uh my mid to late teens and uh and that I just became this like junkie when it came to doing things outside the box thinking creatively when it came to workouts and climbing things um as I started overcoming my fears building more confidence I it just
(34:58) became a thing that was natural to me in my in my late teens the early 20s and then it was late in my career I was 30 years old um when I just well actually throughout my mid-20s people are like man you should be you should audition for Ninja Warrior and I’m like yeah whatever I don’t have time for that like I it was not even an important thing to me but I naturally did things that that were just outside the norm and also I was a licensed massage therapist and I have been for nearly 20 years so behind the
(35:29) scenes I didn’t know it but I was cultivating a gift with developing a strong grip so I was just oh I I was just in my zone of doing those those things and then one day somebody’s like hey auditions are ending in two weeks why don’t you submit and I’m like all right fine I’ll audition you know final audition and they have over a hundred thousand this was several years ago over a hundred thousand people competing to be on this show and then I got I was one of the people that was selected my first
(35:58) time that ends up being less than a half percentage of people that they select to be on the show and then even far less percentage of people that actually get aired and it is just a whole thing and I was just honored to have that opportunity to be on the show compete for a couple Seasons meet some friends that I I’m still friends with today and even though I’m not competing currently right now because I feel like I’m in a season of really just pouring into kind of like yourself I want to share from stages
(36:24) speak more develop a course on helping people overcome fear and doing the spear Hunter show and and breaking the chains of of rejection and fear and and self-sabotage um it’s still a part of who I am but it’s not my identity but it’s still just a great platform that just kind of honestly came out of nowhere yeah it’s it’s it’s it’s a piece of the whole but it’s an exciting piece and and I love the little I I love the little elements that that you find out about that that you would have never thought
(36:53) about like I’m a massage therapist so my grip is really strong so that actually helped you that’s an incredible like I I’ve just you never think about that Joy but literally I could recruit probably some amazing Ninja Warriors if I went not only the rock climbing gym but especially massage therapists I was at that time I was doing 20 25 clients a week I was a deep tissue specialist I started my own business at 18 but like oh my goodness imagine and most of my clients were hour and a half sessions
(37:25) imagine every week getting at least 30 hours of of training 30 hours of training with my grip strength every week in addition to working out that makes up for exceptional grip strength yeah oh for sure for sure and by the way with I I have to share this too your the name of your massage therapy company because I love it I’m a big fan of puns uh just wait it’s Justin uh just incredible just incredible right yes so always always support your pun-based businesses everybody that’s amazing thank you thank you so much that’s great
(37:59) yeah are you so are you still operating as a massage therapist is that license active I work on a lot of uh celebrities VIP clients athletes uh high-end Executives so I only have about time once a week to work on these clients but uh but yeah so I still have that as a as a title that’s awesome awesome um and uh and yeah I’ve heard I’ve heard you know I’ve read up on that in this you have you have a very highly reputable business there it’s incredible thank you thank you so check it out if
(38:29) you can um and that so um so kind of getting into what’s what’s next for you what you’re working on now you’re working on this fear Hunter show and this is exciting because I mean you you’re you’re working down a path of helping people through your own experience and through your own experiences and and and knowledge and expertise of of bringing your talents to you know the world stage helping people to rise above fear and this is an incredible story because it’s coming from Full Circle you mentioned you know
(39:01) you had a speech impediment you know you had these fears now you’re doing something I mean you’ve been doing something that people fear a lot of which is speaking on stage talking and and turning that into a career um that’s incredible um so I just wanted to give you a shout out for that but can you tell us about the the fear Hunter show and and and kind of where you’re going with that well man I’ll just there are a couple things just got highlighted that I’ll just mention briefly before
(39:25) getting in that man got playing for you that supersedes like all of the things that you can think of on your own man and like I here’s the thing I was one of those rare Ninja Warriors who made it to city finals and and I was my my run was never aired and I thought oh that sucks you know but I didn’t know that that would be an even more inspiring story to other people say hey my run was never aired I was in the top ten I mean I competed nationally you know and it’s like but yet it wasn’t air does that discredit what I achieved and
(39:59) what I went through no but here’s the other thing I also had one of my greatest stages from just being myself I I went to Haiti I I got called to do an Indian warrior training camp and uh in in Port-au-Prince Haiti with a few other Ninja Warriors demonstrating God’s love through Athletics did it and these were like some amazing ninja or some of the top Ninja Warriors and then there’s like me I’m just there and you know I was good but not like them I was just there with them and here’s the thing out of all the ninja
(40:27) Wars that they had access to they asked me they asked me to go on stage at a big Festival in Michigan and share my experience this stage was of 20 000 people largest state diverse programs wow and there were so many things that like if I want to get into speaking people dream of being able to speak on stages like that and it was just handed my way so I’m just saying if you just stay in your lane stay true to your convictions things will just work out I I I guarantee you and I was actually here’s the thing God will work all the
(40:58) things together for good for those who love it and who are called according to his purpose so if you align yourself up with God and know that his love is for you and you love him you’re gonna start following that flow and for me it’s been very important like I honestly I’ve made a mistake several months ago I wanted to pursue this credible massage coaching business helping therapists be able to do as well as I have then all of a sudden something just right when I was about to launch is something I pulled
(41:23) out from underneath me got totally stripped and I had a conversation with God and God was like I don’t it was it was in my heart it wasn’t like I heard his voice but it was like I know you settled for that number two thing to focus on just the money aspect but if you were truly honest with yourself that list of 10 things you wanted to do the fear Hunter was that number one and I said all right God I don’t have everything all figured out I don’t have the unlimited budget I don’t know how I’m gonna do this but I am going to
(41:51) trust you and I’ve seen God move in some incredible ways but like I’ve shot two episodes so far still working out all the editing getting the right team involved marketing I I don’t have it all together I wish I could say I did but I believe God’s testing me with my stewardship of what I do have and my my commitment to be able to push forward so that I can one day be be a man of authority and influence to say hey I know what it’s like we’re going to Pivot through this but just to give you a
(42:19) little highlight of my last episode and how this is my element I didn’t know what I was going to do it on but I knew it would unravel I started interviewing people in the mall what do you think of fear do you have a greatest fear talking talking to uh Fathers and Sons and mannequins and dogs and just making it fun and then eventually found this man who said ah I don’t really fear anything and you know what about girls and he’s like no man and you know like what about getting girls numbers no man they got to
(42:47) give me their number I’m like whoa wait a minute and then this woman I said do you agree with that she goes no way I said here’s the challenge I’m on a mission to help people I’m on a mission to help people overcome fear especially the sphere of rejection and I’ve got a challenge for you this is the fear Hunter show there’s a cash prize to this but your challenge is to get rejected by asking women for their phone numbers if you can get rejected 10 times you win the challenge and I just as a way of say
(43:13) I care about you I love you and I can empathize with you I’m going to go through the exact same thing and get rejected 10 times because nobody likes that the transformation from this guy saying no way to like wow he started encouraging other people to say this was tough but what I learned was more valuable than the cash prize he encouraged other people to say just get over it you got to do this rejection is part of life and to go and celebrate the Journey of failures to go for the no was like amazing so I would have different
(43:42) themes and and that’s what I’m doing I don’t have like I said it’s not all figured out but I’m just showing up and doing it and doing my best and I’m having a blast and I’m seeing people’s lives transformed that’s awesome that’s awesome so where where can people look watch Fear Hunter when it comes out what does it come out how where it works I’m going to be releasing that on YouTube uh I’m probably gonna have that attached to my personal Channel but if you want to find
(44:08) out about it uh I would say right now just stay tuned on my personal Instagram account Justin made an official that’s where I’ll release that but um but I’m just working on that process right now I wish I could say hey here’s the QR code here’s the YouTube channel but it’s not there yet but hey let’s just enjoy the journey I just had somebody uh that I interviewed a couple days ago his dad and his uncle died at the same age I’m at right now like and and another uncle passed away when he was right at
(44:39) retirement age so we are both determined to enjoy the journey and know that hey why don’t we celebrate the failures because Winston Churchill said success if you truly want to go after success it’s stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm so I may not feel it but I’m gonna say God I know this is going to be a story for somebody one day because if your story sucks right now just know it’s not done it’s at the most exciting point for somebody reading in from the future they’re going
(45:09) to be they’re at that point you guys are at that point just persevere that’s awesome that’s great great advice I I love that and um and I know that you know this audience is going to want to keep up and and find out about that that show because it sounds incredible and I can’t wait to to watch it when it comes out um and what as far as you know fear is concerned more of the uh you know more of an open-ended question is is is you know is is fear such should we strive to be Fearless so um I here here was my model that got me
(45:44) on Ninja Warrior like they asked me for my ninja name and I just had this motto love God live Fearless my love for God has allowed me to live a Fearless life it doesn’t mean that I’m without fear I’m not Fearless I’m in the app in in the midst of fear I’m like fear whip I’m with that fear and I just have the courage and conviction to say I’m just gonna show up as long as I’m committed to showing up or at least make a baby step toward that I am living a Fearless life in that moment and that is that’s
(46:15) that’s the definition of being Fearless being able to show up in the midst of that fear um but not as a pride thing but saying God I just want to be able to say yes to Freedom say yes to saying I’m loved I’m valued I am enough and that’s my that’s my heart behind uh behind being Fearless to not be uh to not be held back from really your full potential yeah so I heard that uh uh freedom is one of your core values obviously so do you feel that that’s that’s the that’s the result of being able to embrace or
(46:49) rise above your fears yeah that’s my goal because uh think about it if you think of so many other things in life of you know what like ask yourself what do you want to do in the world what do you want to do in life I want to be an actor I want to do this I want to do that well what if you get to that what are you going to do next what are you gonna do next well I’ll do this and I’ll Empire Inspire the world and what if you have all the money in the world what are you going to do next well maybe I’ll start a charity well it
(47:12) could be anything I’m like well what really at the end of the day we’re meant to live life to be free to enjoy it share with other people enhance their life and I want to experience that to the to to the fullest and uh in fact one of the things that I I love doing like on a day off like my happy place something that place that I love to go is I love to just get lost go to a place I’ve never been to before and just start walking go for a hike one place I love going to um is like Laguna Beach and and just
(47:42) exploring the beaches there I ended up finding a cave near the the little castle areas like Victoria Beach I started heading north and I around this this rock I found this cave that went deep inside and I don’t know and then later on I just treated myself to staying at the Montage and just having dinner there and I’m sharing all that because like a lot of times the the the the best moments for me are when I go someplace I’ve never been to before and I’m like asking myself where do you want to go next where do you want to go what
(48:12) do you want to treat yourself to and not have to report back to anybody it’s okay and I feel like every time I maybe ask God hey God where do you want me to go he won’t say anything he’s just like YouTube you pick one you know I gave me a choice don’t ask me like I want you to enjoy life so I I think my happy place would be just Freedom uh exploring but I will say one place to describe a happy place that I really want to go to this year God willing I would love to go to Norway like one of those places where
(48:41) you see fjords I don’t have it all figured out but I would love to go there man that’s awesome yeah that that’s that’s on my bucket list too such a as seems like such a beautiful country so cold so much you know so much cold immersion that you could do there yeah so amazing so amazing well um yeah how about uh um and so you kind of yeah you touched on your happy place I love that that you know it’s just being able to have be freedom and to go and not really know what’s next and uh so if you were to go
(49:12) back and tell that you know tell tell young younger you who was experiencing that fear um if you could tell them one thing what would what would that be I would say I would get into I would ask him what do you really want to do in life like what’s your purpose until I find until I can walk him through something that sounds solid you know so I I’d encourage him to surround himself with people he looks up to and and and and and have them question what he really wants to do and to surround himself with people who
(49:47) are doing that and to be in an environment where he’s consistently encouraged to grow and and to get rejected that for me would be the best thing if you can be encouraged to get rejected man I’d be a different man today I’d be so different because what I realized and I’ll share this one thing that I realized with dating was I used to think I had a fear of hurting somebody I used to fear oh well if I don’t like her I’m gonna have to hurt her feelings and let her know I it’s not meant to be and I I don’t like rejection
(50:20) so I I don’t want to reject her and then I realized it was all wrong that was just the facade the deeper thing behind and that is I had a fear of valuing myself enough to be able to say Hey you are worth you are enough you deserve to have intimacy you you’re you’re meant for relationship you need to go out there and know your value to know you can explore you can honor that person and know that if it doesn’t work out what if you guys are just meant to be in each other’s lives to sharpen each other
(50:47) treat each other with respect have certain boundaries so that if it doesn’t work out you’re still honoring each other and honoring each other’s future spouse so I take that into consideration ahead of time and let them know just the way that God loves both of us I want to be able to honor both of us in that way and if it is a no hey I know that they deserve somebody that is they deserve somebody who wants to pursue them and love them more than what I can do and they deserve that so so that and you
(51:15) have to be willing to get rejected so I I wish I would have known that earlier and have been encouraged to defend myself and also be able to speak up for myself and know that rejection is part of life and it has nothing to do with your character or your identity yeah that’s that’s huge that’s powerful advice and I know that a lot of people well into adulthood including myself you know struggle with the rejection you know it’s it’s hard to get rejected and even even now that gives me the heebie-jeebies about going and like you
(51:46) know getting you know purposefully going out and getting rejected how how uh in the moment is there any advice you have for dealing with rejection like how how we can better deal with it and and not internalize it so powerfully oh man um I one thing when I was having to ask 10 women for their phone numbers which was awful it was awful I’ll I’ll share this with you because it’s probably not going to make the episode but I’ll just say this in a mall you’re gonna have people are like 17 20 years
(52:18) old older all around I’m not there to ask for people’s numbers I just had to get the number out I need to get rejected 10 times I remember asking the first couple of girls that came up just like whatever they’re like little young girls I’m just like hey you know like what’s like hey would you be opposed to me getting your number just to get a no man I got they’re like well how old are you and they’re like oh my gosh and they were just so young they were they were under 18 and I’m like what and people
(52:45) were under 18 look like they’re older and I’m like oh my gosh like it made me feel like I’m a weirdo but it was like out of context so I’m just sharing that with you because that made me get in my head thinking oh my goodness I don’t want to ask anybody who looks under 30 now like I don’t it was tough and then but still I had to go out there what I what I did for myself was because I had to hit that number out of love for somebody else I realized it was a greater reason for it so I’d remind
(53:11) myself I’m doing this to honor somebody else and to stick to a commitment and what I did was I just had a smile on my face and I wanted to honor them hey how you doing hey look I know safety obvious look hey I know this is out of the blue but I just want to let you know these are my feelings yeah well I didn’t say that with them I’m just like hey which I was just nice about it so if you’re afraid of rejection I would just say hey uh you would regret not doing it so might as well get used to getting those those
(53:43) no’s honestly I would just say take that challenge I really I need to have a list of challenges I think I need to have a worksheet that will challenge people including maybe ask if you’re single not if you’re married but if you’re single I think you should ask the opposite sex for their numbers and ask people that you’re not even interested in and you’ll find that wow I’m actually grateful to ask somebody that’s my same age if that I’m attracted to for their number rather
(54:09) than the complete opposite so I don’t know if that answers your question but just do it afraid be respectful know that you’re there for a mission there’s a reason for it you want to be a man or a woman of Integrity stick to that commitment and then you’ll actually find that it has less of a hold on you that’s why I did it and actually I can guarantee you like I would normally just ask a woman out you know ask for her number but I can tell you I’d be way more confident now because I I know that they’re going
(54:36) to be around my age you know like so yeah oh man yeah well I think that it does answer my question because in there you know you’re basically I think I think what you’re saying uh if I’m interpreting it correctly is just you know a acknowledge it’s going to be uncomfortable yeah you know it’s it’s just going to be uncomfortable and that’s part of it is is fear is going to be uncomfortable but we should desire and embrace the discomfort and then just do it anyway I I love that I mean just be afraid do it
(55:05) anyway and and you’ll do it it could be dangerous if we actually hung out sometime what if we did this dude I I will not be asking people for their phone number though [Laughter] well that’s awesome well Justin thank you so much for joining today I know that uh you have a YouTube channel and uh people can find you on Instagram at Justin Myna official and um and uh uh and where else can people find you what what’s uh where where do you want people to go to get get in touch with you well I would just say if
(55:40) journey into it I would challenge you if you’re bold enough to to have a problem right now that you don’t know the solution to I would encourage you to reach out to Adam or myself and just just mention it you don’t know what could happen you don’t know what we’re gonna say mention something you’re struggling with especially if you know it’s coming from somebody who genuinely takes joy and wanting to help people overcome fear so my challenge to you is don’t sit with that fear today or say you’ll deal with
(56:10) it one day do something today tax at least plant the seed of knowing that you have a problem and you want just some some step forward to overcome that because I I would I don’t know what I have time for but I know this I don’t care how busy I am in life I will never be too busy that if I see somebody who genuinely needs help I will reach out to them and figure something out that’s incredible what that what an incredible offer and and what an incredible man you are just doing what you’re doing and living with purpose
(56:41) passion and with such such conviction oh thank you thank you for doing what you’re doing my man I I love it I can’t wait to see where this takes you and I can’t wait to see the fear Hunter which is coming soon and uh thank you for joining me Justin I appreciate you joining me here thank you and uh thanks yeah I was just gonna say I can’t wait to support you and see you speaking from the stages and empowering people from all the knowledge you learned from people on these podcasts so I can just
(57:07) see you skyrocketing from here because your heart has just a good solid foundation man it’s just an honor being here and and seeing what you’re doing as well thank you my friend I appreciate that and uh to everybody out there thank you for joining us and we’ll see you next time thanks again hey everyone Thanks for tuning in to the flow over fear podcast if you’d like to learn more about getting into flow and learn the foundations of flow I have a free video series on my website at www.adamcliffordhill.com called the
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